New Fediverse features that actually aren't new
Whenever someone announces to "bring" something "to the Fediverse", chances are that Friendica has actually had it since 2010, for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has been around.
For example, just about everyone on Mastodon is fully convinced that Eugen Rochko has brought quote-posts to the Fediverse this year. That's because next to nobody on Mastodon knows that Friendica has been able to quote-post practically everything in the Fediverse, including Mastodon toots, for 15 years now.
And if Friendica doesn't have it, chances are still that Hubzilla has it, and that Hubzilla has probably had it for longer than Mastodon has been around, too.
For example, private messages that are actually private. Mastodon doesn't have them because the "privacy" of Mastodon DMs is only "guaranteed" by limiting whom a DM is sent to. Hubzilla does have them and has had them since 2012, since it was still named Red. How? Because Hubzilla also limits who is permitted to see a DM.
Oh, and Hubzilla even offers optional encryption on top of that.
Or how about server-independent identity? Everyone still waiting for Bluesky to finally be the pioneer who invents this and implements it for the first time? LOL! Once again, Hubzilla has had this since 2012. Not a vague concept, not an unstable proof-of-concept, but daily-driven by production-grade channels on production-grade servers. (streams) has it, too, inherited from Hubzilla through a whole number of forks. Forte has it, too, and Forte is the first and, so far, only Fediverse server software that uses ActivityPub for nomadic identity.
Now I'm waiting for someone to announce that something will "bring" actual groups "to the Fediverse". A feature that was actually introduced to the Fediverse by StatusNet in 2008, and that's also available on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. Not to mention that the very principle of the Threadiverse (Lemmy, the remains of /kbin, Mbin, PieFed) is based on groups.
This is what happens when you think that the feature set of the whole Fediverse is the feature set of Mastodon and maybe Pixelfed because that's all you know.
Speaking of Mastodon: Just because it's being "brought to the Fediverse", doesn't mean it'll be adopted by Mastodon.
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in reply to Jupiter Rowland • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to 🌴 Seph 💭 👾 • • •@🌴 Seph 💭 👾 Fun fact: Hubzilla (which my post and this comment come from) has a feed reader, too. But Hubzilla is the most powerful and feature-rich Fediverse server software out there. So if Friendica is overkill for you already...
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in reply to julian • • •Re: New Fediverse features that actually aren't new
@julian said in New Fediverse features that actually aren't new:
> Don't forget NodeBB is also based off of groups! We've increased support for it in 2025 and it's continuing to be our core focus into 2026.
No one familiar with the Fediverse can ignore it! In my opinion, NodeBB represents the most complete implementation of Activitypub groups today, adding the ergonomics of Lemmy and the versatility of Kbin to the great flexibility of Friendica!
NodeBB forum categories function as excellent Activitypub groups, perfectly compatible for Mastodon users.
Unfortunately, while users Lemmy/Piefed, Mbin, and Friendica can easily view NodeBB groups, Mastodon users lack a valid interface for managing groups, and almost no one is familiar with the Raccoon app, which is the only app that can recognize Activitypub groups and group discussions by topic.
For me, NodeBB was the best surprise in the Fediverse of this amazing 2025, and I thank the entire development team again for this wonderful gift!
Raccoon - Apps on Google Play
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in reply to informapirata • • •@informapirata I guess no-one knows Raccoon because it isn't marketed as another Mastodon app. That, and its advantages only come into play with other Fediverse server applications and their features, so they seem pointless if all you know is Mastodon and Mastodon's features.
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in reply to informapirata • • •@informapirata @Julian
Indeed NodeBB integrates very well into Hubzilla. For Mastodon IMO the only way to have a "group like" experience is to create a list that contains the forum's handle. As Mastodon meanwhile fetches replies better without additional actions on client side it is usable.
Sadly the Racoon client does not support Hubzilla as it lacks the Mastodon API. It's still possible to activate the ancient Twitter API which indeed works with AndStatus client e.g. but it's usage is quite poor. I hope that someday we will depend less on the Mastodon API and go forward with ActicityPub's own API.
An improvement in NodeBB would be if it would send some kind of marker so that you would not have multiple forums named "General Discussion" all with the same profile picture. :)
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