"Hoarding"? We work two jobs and still can't make our rent, and holding onto a 4yr old iPhone _because we can't afford anything more current_ is "Hoarding"? Holee elitist there CNBC.
If it's still receiving security updates.... is it still hoarding? C'mon CNBC Extract every dollars worth of value out of your devices endoflife.date/iphone
This is why they make things that break when we could buy things that last a lifetime. Especially appliances. It's horrible for the environment. As we have found out, the constant consumption only benefits the billionaire class. Everyone else loses.
14-year-old CPU from 2012. Not the minimum gen 8 CPU. Not even gen 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, or v2 CPU. This is an old school gen 1 CPU from 2012, an Intel Xeon E5-1660, using the long discontinued Sandy Bridge microarchitecture.
The PC is using 64GB of old school DDR-3 RAM. It is running off of old SATA SSD drives. The only "modern" hardware on this old PC is the GPU, an AMD Rx6400 from 2022 (nearly 4-year-old) and the 2.5 GB nic card.
Yet, it is running Windows 11 just fine (see photo). I have tested this on Windows 11 Home, Professional, Enterprise, and Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC.
If you had any doubts on whether Microsoft's hardware requirements for Windows 11 were artificial or not. Put those doubts aside. Windows 11's only goal was to create a lot of e-waste, so hardware manufacturers could boost sales.
I suggest people try Linux (Fedora KDE Plasma). If you must run Windows, try Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC (updates until 2032).
Continuing to use something you own is not hurting the economy. The manufacturer needs to find some way to create value that’s more innovative. How much is planned obsolescence costing our economy?
@CaptMorgan The economy will shrink anyway. Capitalism is basically over because it only works as long as there is growth, but there is no way the economy can even stay at its current size because we're running out of resources. Nobody can save the capitalist economic model, no matter what they try. Whatever kinds of economies may exist in the future, the type of market economies we used to have will just cease to function, there's nothing we can do about that. Either we create some kind of socialist post-market economies, or we fall back to Medieval systems with guilds in the cities and feudal lords ruling the countryside. I think the West isn't going to make it, we will just implode. It's countries like Vietnam and China that still have a chance, but they will probably collapse as well, only much more gently in a slow decline. The new systems that take over the world will come from the least developed places on this planet where people aren't burdened by all the systems and all the infrastructure that used to work in the past, it will be the tinkerers and inventors in small remote African and Latin American villages who build the future while the rest of the world falls apart.
There's a lot of absurd stuff in there -- like the claim that networks have to be slowed down to allow for older devices.... WTF? No... nothing works that way.
I *hope* this text was mostly written by an LLM 'cause there's a lot of hallucinations in there.
At some point, the world will have to acknowledge how much of their lives is under the control of American price-fixing cartels & how much effort they put into creating & keeping captive consumer monopolies.
Six of the country’s most powerful landlords were named in a lawsuit brought forth by the U.S. Justice Department. Blackstone, Cushman & Wakefield, Greystar, Camden, Pinnacle, Willow Bridge, and Cortland were all implicated.
@Npars01 This is similar to one of the justifications for return-to-office policies, which is that retailers in city downtowns need office workers to buy their stuff. Workers are supposed to spend their own money to prop up other businesses.
Not that I'm an analyst, but it seems fairly likely to me that one of the main reason people are buying new devices less frequently is because devices are improving at a slower pace now.
CEO's make up some really dumb stuff to drive their "shareholder's" value. Maybe this system isn't working right because sense can't be made of stark corporate greed?
ugh🤮 count on #CNBC to be worried about the profits of the #broligarchy while the economy tanks and people suffer. soulless ghouls
& i've never understood people who wait in line to buy the newest model phone. they think it makes them look cool. to me it makes them look like clueless suckers & easy marks
As someone in the UK, I don’t contribute a lot to the US economy but I still use a 3 year old dumb phone(and that was a replacement for one that was damaged whilst my partner was dying otherwise i would be using a 10 year old dumb phone.)
yeah just cause they want us to “upgrade “ every few years doesn’t mean it makes sense to. If my wife could’ve she’d still be uses he iPhone 8 Plus. Just got too glitchy and unreliable for some of what she needs. She dislikes the new non button interface on the newer ones.
We need to continue to plunder the earth's resources to help the economy which will eventually implode because of resource scarcity, drought, floods, fires, and starvation.
The economy requires infinite growth because we refuse to more equally distribute its output. Most of the growth goes to the rich who don't need it so we don't really need to grow the economy.
Oh! It comes at a cost to work productivity! Well, whoop-de doo. Work, then, can pay for the new device. It's not like they're paying the employee anything like the amount their labour is worth.
And from the article:
Research released by the Federal Reserve last month concludes that each additional year companies delay upgrading equipment results in a productivity decline of about one-third of a percent.
This is such a piddly little number compared to the productivity and profit costs caused by, say, the forcing of AI upon the workforce, that it shouldn't even factor in except in the most stringent of ledgers. There are industries who would eat the moon for a chance at a third of a percentage point in depreciation costs. Furrfu.
But we made all the programs require 10x the processing power to do the same exact things. How can you even live like that? Do you not even update??? Something is clearly wrong with you.
Had to buy a new phone last year because my old one, which I'd bought refurbished and had given me years of service, started missing calls and texts. I also have a Kindle, one of the ones with a keyboard, that's 14 years old and still works fine. Not in the US but hoarding works for me!
The better not look at the company Fairphone... I have one and its great. But the ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL is to empower people to use the phone as long as possible by making them hyper repairable.
Rich people hoard money and that is costing all of us, our health or prosperity, and even our live.
The only reason why people prefer to hoard money is because it is different than all other human products. Outside of inflation, it never goes bad and is preferable to acquire anything else.
Furthermore, if you keep a lot of of it, you gain economic and political power.
The solution to this is to gift money with death. Then money is not superior to labor or its products
I promise you there's consultants brainstorming these talking points and trying them on focus groups, before pushing them on to the media. This isn't something some journalist casually came up with. @georgetakei
When I said that I would be ok to pay a subscription to keep security updates for my Android device, someone answered that it would cost the same to me to just buy the latest phone that is supported.
I agree 100% i use dumbphones light phones i used my Light phone 2 for 6 years, and now their new Light phone 3 that i have has a user replaceable battery, so i will use it even longer than that. So for me a phone is just a phone and i do everything else when at home on my Laptop or iPad and even those i keep longer than they want us too my laptop is over 5 years old and still going. Not gonna buy anything i dont need, plus think of all the ewaste if one upgrades yearly.
yes, by all means, keep your old phone until it no longer gets security updates. Some phones receive support longer than others (I'm typing this on a 4yo phone whose support expires in 2027).
Once your phone ceases to get security updates, it is unwise to keep using it. Keep the support lifetime in mind when you buy.
Because they aren't allowed to say the problem is actually the Oligarchs hoarding the actual money. Put those imaginary billions back into the economy! You'll puncture those dangerous egos AND have pots of cash to hand out to people who genuinely need it. And no one will have to hear what "Elon says" about anything, because no one will care.
Yeah, MY economy will always come before "the" economy. When new phones cost 600 bucks and up, you bet I'm going to use mine until the motherboard fries.
To be fair, I’m not hoarding my iPhone 13, I’m declining to buy a newer model that forces the use of things like AI and Face ID. I set this phone up to be as dumb as possible. Disabled Siri, never set up voice recognition or Face ID, that kinda thing. Hoarding implies you’re holding on to an unhealthy number of whatever objects…. this is kinda the opposite of that isn’t it?? 🧐
"Will somebody think of the poor trillion-dollar corporations whose stakeholder profits rely on you throwing away perfectly good devices & buy new ones until the heat death of the fucking universe"...
Are they really hurting the economy or just some tech billionaires, who already have more money hoarded than they or their families can spend in the next few generations? 🤔
A kind reminder: a device is a tool, not a goal. One wants to achieve goals. Using a device. The less devices needed to achieve the goal is better. Less attention a device requires is better.
With regards to work productivity, if a job requires a phone or a computer, then the damn company can provide those to their staff. This whole thing in which employees are now expected to pay for and maintain equipment at their own expense is ridiculous.
As is the whole concept that everyone must update everything immediately, regardless of their needs.
Especially when these "poor, suffering" companies hold the wealth of nations, continue to expect growth instead of profit.
@JugglingWithEggs I was a tech fanatic for years. Spent most of my disposable cash on shiny bright things. This iphone 14 will be the last smart device I probably ever buy. The economy can fucking blow me. Make a product worth buying, big tech
these are some serious mental gymnastics from cnbc because buying *more* stuff is usually linked to hoarding, not buying less. Seems like words have lost all meaning
ownooo. We are saving the planet by reducing E-waste. Which hurts the economy. Because they only look at money and not about the health of the people, animals or the planet.
Well, I knew it had to be our fault some way or another.
Yet somehow, I and my iPhone 12 will just have to make peace with the knowledge that Verizon's c-suite and Apple's Tim Cook won't be able to get Donald a very good Christmas present this year because I'm being selfish.
Not to mention most people are trying desperately to avoid shitty AI and surveillance being forced into their lives!
I mean shit I'm still using my iPhone 6 because when I decided I might want to upgrade they introduced facial recognition and I knew where that was leading...
I remember when I upgraded from a iPhone 14 to a 16. The updates were noticeable. Then I switched carriers because they were offering a better price, and gave me the 17. The only difference I could notice was that it was a 17...
So true, George. If holding onto a phone, or any device for that matters, for a longer period of time, is considered device hoarding, then: I'm guilty of device hoarding! Yeah, the price of these gadgets are getting more expensive and all, but upgrading frequently, makes you less appreciative of the new features...
Still using a 12 year old iPhone 6. Many apps won’t work on it, but I rarely want apps anymore on it anyway since most are just harvesting my data. Bonus is there is no capacity for AI on it.
It’s enough for my purposes, for now, but probably will get a new one soon. Even so, it won’t be from any of the major companies. They don’t upgrade. They downgrade by devaluing the hardware by occupying it with stuff we don’t want & you can’t get rid of to give it a shorter lifespan.
there's a whole thing here about how software developers have lost the desire to write efficient software because of the ever increasing hardware power
Not an American but I proudly used my #Fairphone 3 (2019) until the Fairphone 6 released.
I'm hoping to hold onto it until at least the Fairphone 9 :)
I think it also makes me a better dev to not dev only on the newest and latest and fastest devices but actually make sure the app runs acceptably on slightly older devices too :)
On that note, IzzyOnDroid and F-Droid have a lot of apps that work great on older devices, just a sideload away :) izzyondroid.org/
I do not think a new device fixes it, but I'm idly wondering how many man-centuries have been lost to corporate startup scripts that often make devices unusable for several minutes as they "update security policy" or whatever.
If you know the owner of the publisher - you know the source. I am holding my Fair-Phone - yeah I know you do not know what it is - but Google or look to iFixit for Repairscore - now 4 years and will reach the fifth for sure. Maybe even 6. I use my PC unchanged for 15 years. My TV 17. Just because I by carefull and with long vision. TV is the first Full LED Backlight with Local Diming. No reason for change. No change. That is Sustainability.
Third spruce tree on the left
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in reply to Third spruce tree on the left • • •Extract every dollars worth of value out of your devices
endoflife.date/iphone
Apple iPhone
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •14-year-old CPU from 2012. Not the minimum gen 8 CPU. Not even gen 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, or v2 CPU. This is an old school gen 1 CPU from 2012, an Intel Xeon E5-1660, using the long discontinued Sandy Bridge microarchitecture.
The PC is using 64GB of old school DDR-3 RAM. It is running off of old SATA SSD drives. The only "modern" hardware on this old PC is the GPU, an AMD Rx6400 from 2022 (nearly 4-year-old) and the 2.5 GB nic card.
Yet, it is running Windows 11 just fine (see photo). I have tested this on Windows 11 Home, Professional, Enterprise, and Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC.
If you had any doubts on whether Microsoft's hardware requirements for Windows 11 were artificial or not. Put those doubts aside. Windows 11's only goal was to create a lot of e-waste, so hardware manufacturers could boost sales.
I suggest people try Linux (Fedora KDE Plasma). If you must run Windows, try Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC (updates until 2032).
Bruce Mirken
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •'Why, why?' says the junk in the yard"
--Paul McCartney
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Sir Osis of Liver 🇨🇦 🇲🇽 reshared this.
Hot Dog Water
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Fuck.
Work.
Productivity.
I hope the dirtbag slaver that wrote that, shits pine needles for a month.
sverx🗩
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in reply to CaptMorgan • • •Lord Caramac the Clueless, KSC
in reply to CaptMorgan • • •Either we create some kind of socialist post-market economies, or we fall back to Medieval systems with guilds in the cities and feudal lords ruling the countryside.
I think the West isn't going to make it, we will just implode. It's countries like Vietnam and China that still have a chance, but they will probably collapse as well, only much more gently in a slow decline. The new systems that take over the world will come from the least developed places on this planet where people aren't burdened by all the systems and all the infrastructure that used to work in the past, it will be the tinkerers and inventors in small remote African and Latin American villages who build the future while the rest of the world falls apart.
Richard Bairwell
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Steve Leach
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •There's a lot of absurd stuff in there -- like the claim that networks have to be slowed down to allow for older devices.... WTF? No... nothing works that way.
I *hope* this text was mostly written by an LLM 'cause there's a lot of hallucinations in there.
🇪🇺 LΞX/NØVΛ
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •I'm determined to buy *nothing* I don't absolutely need until 2029.
I won't contribute to this economy under an administration that denies climate change and is pushing coal and oil production.
And I want to have as much in savings as possible when we are actually planning for, investing in, and building a future again.
Basically "Save Every Dime Until Twenty Twenty-Nine."
My next laptop (already three years old) aught to be a nice upgrade
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Nicole Parsons
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •#TranslatedFromTheRepublican
"The implication is that people are required to subsidize operations for their employers.
If the job requires a newer device, let the employer pay for it."
1/
Nicole Parsons
in reply to Nicole Parsons • • •2/
At some point, the world will have to acknowledge how much of their lives is under the control of American price-fixing cartels & how much effort they put into creating & keeping captive consumer monopolies.
1. Harlan Crow & rent fixing & SCOTUS corruption
propublica.org/article/doj-rea…
propublica.org/article/justice…
thebullmoosenetwork.com/billio…
bloomberg.com/news/articles/20…
propublica.org/article/clarenc…
2. Schwarzman & rising house prices
housingisahumanright.org/steph…
housinghumanrt.medium.com/corp…
archpaper.com/2025/01/blacksto…
Blackstone, Cushman & Wakefield, and other landlords sued for price fixing
Daniel Jonas Roche (The Architect’s Newspaper)Michael Gemar
in reply to Nicole Parsons • • •Jack the Pumpkin Count
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in reply to Jack the Pumpkin Count • • •@count_01 @michaelgemar
How many people got rid of their second car because of Work From Home policies?
All those commuters, forced to own gas powered vehicles, are subsidizing their employers operations.
The fossil fuel industry is seeing flattening demand. Data centers for AI & cryptocurrency are being rejected as wasteful energy hogs.
The industry wants new devices because of AI spyware, backdoors on chips, & chat control.
It's not device hoarding, it's privacy protection
Rycochet
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •ugh🤮 count on #CNBC to be worried about the profits of the #broligarchy while the economy tanks and people suffer. soulless ghouls
& i've never understood people who wait in line to buy the newest model phone. they think it makes them look cool. to me it makes them look like clueless suckers & easy marks
#CorporateMedia #Boycott #BreakTheOligarchy #Resist #CorpMedia
Andrew Deacon
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in reply to Huntn00 • • •hoarding would be more like buying a new phone every year and throwing all the old ones in the junk drawer in the kitchen.
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Oh! It comes at a cost to work productivity! Well, whoop-de doo. Work, then, can pay for the new device. It's not like they're paying the employee anything like the amount their labour is worth.
And from the article:
This is such a piddly little number compared to the productivity and profit costs caused by, say, the forcing of AI upon the workforce, that it shouldn't even factor in except in the most stringent of ledgers. There are industries who would eat the moon for a chance at a third of a percentage point in depreciation costs. Furrfu.
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Oh my lord, CNBC sucks.
The better not look at the company Fairphone... I have one and its great. But the ENTIRE BUSINESS MODEL is to empower people to use the phone as long as possible by making them hyper repairable.
staringatclouds
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Rich people hoard money and that is costing all of us, our health or prosperity, and even our live.
The only reason why people prefer to hoard money is because it is different than all other human products. Outside of inflation, it never goes bad and is preferable to acquire anything else.
Furthermore, if you keep a lot of of it, you gain economic and political power.
The solution to this is to gift money with death. Then money is not superior to labor or its products
Pevin Kinel
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •When i ordered a replacement screen for my phone this morning, i didn't know i was hurting the economy, sweet!!!
(just for the brag, my phone is a Nexus 5 from 2013, and not joking, it feels more responsive than any recent phone i came across)
@georgetakei
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what ???
Sir Osis of Liver 🇨🇦 🇲🇽
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •I upgraded my iPhone 8 to iPhone 16 back in February this year.
With any luck it will be replaced with an iPhone 24 at some point.
I am under no obligation to buy stuff early just to support Apple or my employer.
Exa
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Adam Katz
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •yes, by all means, keep your old phone until it no longer gets security updates. Some phones receive support longer than others (I'm typing this on a 4yo phone whose support expires in 2027).
Once your phone ceases to get security updates, it is unwise to keep using it. Keep the support lifetime in mind when you buy.
DonCC
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •" . . . it comes at a cost to work productivity"? 🙄
#BULLSHIT
It comes at a cost to "investors" and fuck them! I buy a phone for my needs, not to support them financially. Greedy bastards.
Tim Clevenger
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •If you absolutely have to buy a new phone...
fairphone.com/en/2025/06/27/th…
The Fairphone (Gen. 6): A smartphone that is fairer in every way - Fairphone
Monique (Fairphone)JWcph, Radicalized By Decency
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Carolyn
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •With regards to work productivity, if a job requires a phone or a computer, then the damn company can provide those to their staff. This whole thing in which employees are now expected to pay for and maintain equipment at their own expense is ridiculous.
As is the whole concept that everyone must update everything immediately, regardless of their needs.
Especially when these "poor, suffering" companies hold the wealth of nations, continue to expect growth instead of profit.
Joan, but festive 🎅🏼🎄
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •This phrase is somewhere between "quiet quitting" and "breakthrough pain."
All complete b.s.
ekari
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Katrina Katrinka
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Jimmothy Baggins
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •SpaceLifeForm
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •stony kark
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •craignicol
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •they don't build them like they used to though.
We wanted phones and fridges and watches that would outlive us, and we got devices more fragile than Trump's ego.
Terra Says
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •D. G. Marshall
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Veronica Olsen
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •In other words: if you're not a planet-killing wasteful mass consumer, you're a bad person.
My phone is 4 years old and works as well as it did the day I bought it.
kalin5
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •these are some serious mental gymnastics from cnbc because buying *more* stuff is usually linked to hoarding, not buying less. Seems like words have lost all meaning
Edit: had typed hearding instead of hoarding
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in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Melroy van den Berg
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Dumbotron of Loxley
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Qualms.
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •winter
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Guy_VO (Radical Left Lunatic)
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •I guess I've taken 'device hoarding' to the next level.
Ellis Arcwolf (Author)
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Milcom Miasma
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Well, I knew it had to be our fault some way or another.
Yet somehow, I and my iPhone 12 will just have to make peace with the knowledge that Verizon's c-suite and Apple's Tim Cook won't be able to get Donald a very good Christmas present this year because I'm being selfish.
I'm not sure, but I *think* I can live with that.
🌴 Seph 💭 👾
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • •Jo - pièce de résistance likes this.
Heinrich Tannhäuser
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Sensitive content
Tiny Gamer Alec
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Not to mention most people are trying desperately to avoid shitty AI and surveillance being forced into their lives!
I mean shit I'm still using my iPhone 6 because when I decided I might want to upgrade they introduced facial recognition and I knew where that was leading...
Chris 🦑
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Richardus
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •BuckRogers1965
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Rory
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Rory
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Jo - pièce de résistance
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Still using a 12 year old iPhone 6. Many apps won’t work on it, but I rarely want apps anymore on it anyway since most are just harvesting my data. Bonus is there is no capacity for AI on it.
It’s enough for my purposes, for now, but probably will get a new one soon. Even so, it won’t be from any of the major companies.
They don’t upgrade. They downgrade by devaluing the hardware by occupying it with stuff we don’t want & you can’t get rid of to give it a shorter lifespan.
Jess Fairbairn
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Fossman
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •You may be interested in the @postmarketOS project that works to extend the life of devices using #FreeSoftware / #OpenSource and #Linux.
#postmarketOS
Vivien 🏳️⚧️
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Sylvia
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Not an American but I proudly used my #Fairphone 3 (2019) until the Fairphone 6 released.
I'm hoping to hold onto it until at least the Fairphone 9 :)
I think it also makes me a better dev to not dev only on the newest and latest and fastest devices but actually make sure the app runs acceptably on slightly older devices too :)
On that note, IzzyOnDroid and F-Droid have a lot of apps that work great on older devices, just a sideload away :) izzyondroid.org/
IzzyOnDroid
izzyondroid.orgFlower
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •"Mutant Rob" Robert Rothenberg
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Klaus Frank
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •pglpm
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Christophe B.
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Device hoarding: shame on our customers
Whitney Loblaw
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •bposi
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •I am holding my Fair-Phone - yeah I know you do not know what it is - but Google or look to iFixit for Repairscore - now 4 years and will reach the fifth for sure. Maybe even 6.
I use my PC unchanged for 15 years. My TV 17.
Just because I by carefull and with long vision.
TV is the first Full LED Backlight with Local Diming. No reason for change. No change.
That is Sustainability.
Willow
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •Aroop Roelofs
in reply to George Takei 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 • • •