@Natanox Both Tipeee and Patreon have found that only 1% of their creators use the "per-creation" model. It seems they're streamlining their features to focus on more popular options.
Patreon initially planned to switch to the new model in Nov2025, but due to technical issues with a payment processor (Apple), they've postponed the deadline several times. Tipeee recently announced a Jan2026 deadline, so I've decided to move both platforms to the new monthly subscription model at the same time.
@LucKeyProductions Yes, I thought about it, but it was too complex to move everyone to yet another service and maintain multiple release/support systems. Unifying all feels simpler in final to communicate about it.
@halla Thank you for your words and your support since the first episodes! As you can imagine, this change affects me so much... That's why I'm releasing three comic pages to talk about it. 😅
The change will take effect on Patreon on 12 January. Until then, the page still shows 'per-content'.
This is because I have decided to give one month's notice to allow my patrons to adjust their budgets. (Don't worry though: I won't release the 'per-content' mechanism during this period.)
@Numerfolt Liberapay. This is because it doesn't have the 5% fee that Patreon and Tipeee take. (To fund Liberapay, you have to support them... on Liberapay.)
Okay, I looked at their FAQ and basically there are the transaction fees that I pay? Like I send you 1€ per month and pay some cents so you can get the full €? And I can donate to them too, which is nice.
@fr3d Unfortunately, that's one of the side effect; I wrote them an email in October about it. I'm still around as a volunteer contributor now, but it is clearly not the same time budget. 😔
while it's perfectly understandable from the business side, it's still a pity. I'd pay extra just for securing the future of Peertube and Framasoft artwork. Apart from all your other great work. 🙂
@Tywele Monthly or yearly? It certainly will depend on how much you pay in fees when you transfer money. If your bank charges high fees, it may be better to transfer money in one lump sum. If the fees are small or zero, monthly payments are great.
My preferred platform is Liberapay because the creator and admin are on Mastodon and the platform doesn't take 5%.
Hi David! I heard your interview on #HPR and really appreciate your stance on licencing and using Open Source tooling. Moreover, once I found your content, I think it's excellent. I had planned to go and subscribe but hadn't done so, so this thread is a great reminder - thank you! Having read your FAQ on your webpage, I will use liberapay, so you get as much of the donation as possible. Best of luck with the developing adventure!
cheer up! We'll keep supporting your amazing and generous work. Your transparency is as always very much appreciated. One quick question: does this change will also apply on Liberapay? Youention Tipee and Patron, but if we support you through Liberapay on per-content basis, shall we switch to monthly?
@Notus Thank you very much for your support! 💜 Liberapay always prefered (from the start) to not include a per-content system. So, since I have the account (back in 2017) I receive 'weekly' donation on it.
Liberapay allows me to download a table with the donation amount and date, and so, with a little table-math I can convert this into a monthly thing and merge the names on the credit ( I'm trying to standardize this to peppercarrot.com/ext/credits-a… )
I will probably move over to librepay since you are the only creator I support on Patreon. I also like the idea of you getting my full support instead of partial payment.
I'm surprised that you didn't do month to month sooner cause of your new web comic. It's always daunting having to go from freelance, to your own thing, but if you have to step away for a bit due to burnout, don't be afraid to take a break. I'll still support you regardless.
I signed up for the minimum for now: $1.00 a comic. I hope it's better than nothing. Your art is wonderful as are your stories and I appreciate your anti-genAI stance.
love your comics, by the way - especially the lemon-centered ones, with the goddess of life. goes very well with fantasy stuff i've been writing the past few years.
To me, the monthly support just feels better even if it didn't make a difference financially. Instead of paying in return for something (which is a transaction), it feels like more like supporting the ongoing work and life of a great artist that has given so much to free/libre culture.
@oscherler You didn't invitent: mid 2024, after problem in the production (cancelling an episode almost done) and during a long period of personal struggle and feeling down, I announced the end on a blog post.
That was a mistake. I wish I never published that blog-post.
I retracted, but the idea circulated well, way faster than the other blog-posts saying I wanted to continue the series.
I'm continuing Pepper&Carrot series, I love it too much. I just had a very bad time. Sorry for that.
thanks for sharing this as an option. That's my preferred way to support folks. I also opt for the yearly option, so more of the money doesn't get eaten up in small transaction fees. It's still not much coin, but I'd rather most of it gets to you. Thanks for your non-avian intelligence sharing your talent! @GhostOnTheHalfShell
you might want to change the denomination of your membership options on patreon. I see 5€/month in the overview of all my memberships, but when looking at your membership options it still shows as "x€ / episode".
I really enjoy the short stories you post here. I hope(expect) you will beginn posting them on patreon too, once the switch to monthly is done?
Yes I saw it and I'm afraid I can't change it at the moment. Patreon will make the change on their side one month after I publicly announce it. It's all part of their policy for moving accounts around. Just to let you know, I won't be posting the episode until the 12th of January. (the effective date for my first monthly) :) I'll post something on Patreon to let my supporters know about it.
@gws Ha ha, you mentioned something that made me struggle while drawing this announcement. At first, I drew a little guy with a two-day beard and a brown haircut, sitting at my desk in front of my monitors.
But I was worried it wouldn't be really iconic, so I decided to go with Pepper as my avatar. I was fine with it, as I often used her for various things, but maybe it's a bit awkward in the end. 😅
Imo per content model is dangerous anyway. It rewards churning out quantity rather than quality. It means that an artist might need to release unfinished stuff just for the sake of being able to pay their bills. And for the supporter it is unsafe because there is little control to how much you pay. If someone pays 5€ per creation, assuming 1 creation per month, and suddenly you turn in 1 creation per day or something this might be more than the person can or wants to afford.
So per month or something means stabilty for both artist and supporter, just extra effort is not awarded. Per creation creates pressure for the artist and exchanges uncertainty of delivery for uncertainty in when and how much you pay.
@lazy I'll see, but I've never received anything monthly in my life (except the Liberapay weekly support, and thank you very much for being a part of it, but it was a minor part of income so far). I'm a freelancer working 'per task' since I was 18. I only knew that: making the work, getting paid, and I'm 44 years old 😅 ... I really hope this change will be a good thing!
This is different to a typical artist thing. The difference here is that we are not paying for the result. We are paying for the process. For you keeping the project up and sharing the result with the world. And everyone of us will have different expectation. But I think most of us do not have a problem with you taking time. With you choosing to do some freelance project when you feel like it. With you taking a break when you need it. Don't feel indebted to us or that you need to meet certain performance goals here.
And sure, your Liberapay donations are not a major income. Still, guaranteed 400€ a month is not at all nothing. It is enough to afford food if everything else fails. If this change in Patreon goes well you will have a decent bit more monthly support. But still probably nothing in the range of full-time remuneration. So you should not treat this as a 100% job. Treat this as what it is: A small support from your community, to make sure you can continue doing what you do.
David Revoy
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 • • •@Natanox Both Tipeee and Patreon have found that only 1% of their creators use the "per-creation" model. It seems they're streamlining their features to focus on more popular options.
Patreon initially planned to switch to the new model in Nov2025, but due to technical issues with a payment processor (Apple), they've postponed the deadline several times. Tipeee recently announced a Jan2026 deadline, so I've decided to move both platforms to the new monthly subscription model at the same time.
LucKey Productions
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to LucKey Productions • • •Halla Rempt
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Halla Rempt • • •As you can imagine, this change affects me so much... That's why I'm releasing three comic pages to talk about it. 😅
David Revoy
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🔗 The 'links :
- Patreon: patreon.com/c/davidrevoy
- Tipeee: en.tipeee.com/pepper-carrot/
- Liberapay: liberapay.com/davidrevoy/
- EveryLinks: davidrevoy.com/linktree/
And a quick FAQ on the blog: davidrevoy.com/article1106/fro…
💜
Pepper&Carrot – Tipeee
TipeeeWTL
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to WTL • • •@WTL Good question 👍
The change will take effect on Patreon on 12 January. Until then, the page still shows 'per-content'.
This is because I have decided to give one month's notice to allow my patrons to adjust their budgets. (Don't worry though: I won't release the 'per-content' mechanism during this period.)
Numerfolt
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Numerfolt • • •(To fund Liberapay, you have to support them... on Liberapay.)
Numerfolt
in reply to David Revoy • • •And I can donate to them too, which is nice.
David Revoy
in reply to Numerfolt • • •J. R. DePriest :EA DATA. SF:
in reply to David Revoy • • •maybe I should just use liberapay instead like I do for my Fediverse instance.
Edit: I switched to Liberapay.
David Revoy
in reply to J. R. DePriest :EA DATA. SF: • • •jeromeg
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in reply to jeromeg • • •Fred
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Fred • • •Fred
in reply to David Revoy • • •Richard Hendricks
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Richard Hendricks • • •Tywele
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Tywele • • •@Tywele Monthly or yearly? It certainly will depend on how much you pay in fees when you transfer money. If your bank charges high fees, it may be better to transfer money in one lump sum. If the fees are small or zero, monthly payments are great.
My preferred platform is Liberapay because the creator and admin are on Mastodon and the platform doesn't take 5%.
Thank you 💜
Paul Jewell
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Paul Jewell • • •Notus
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Notus • • •@Notus Thank you very much for your support! 💜
Liberapay always prefered (from the start) to not include a per-content system. So, since I have the account (back in 2017) I receive 'weekly' donation on it.
Liberapay allows me to download a table with the donation amount and date, and so, with a little table-math I can convert this into a monthly thing and merge the names on the credit ( I'm trying to standardize this to peppercarrot.com/ext/credits-a… )
Albert Westra
in reply to David Revoy • • •I will probably move over to librepay since you are the only creator I support on Patreon. I also like the idea of you getting my full support instead of partial payment.
I'm surprised that you didn't do month to month sooner cause of your new web comic. It's always daunting having to go from freelance, to your own thing, but if you have to step away for a bit due to burnout, don't be afraid to take a break. I'll still support you regardless.
David Revoy
in reply to Albert Westra • • •Leah
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Leah • • •Emmanuel LEVEQUE 🔻⏚
in reply to David Revoy • • •C'est corrigé !
David Revoy
in reply to Emmanuel LEVEQUE 🔻⏚ • • •J. R. DePriest :EA DATA. SF:
in reply to David Revoy • • •Kwlio Has Moved
in reply to David Revoy • • •Just signed up to support you via Tipeee but it sounds like Liberapay would be better so I'll change over to that.
The copies I ordered of The Potion of Flight and The Art of Pepper & Carrot are both fantastic, by the way!!!
David Revoy
in reply to Kwlio Has Moved • • •rick
in reply to David Revoy • • •and like always, thanks for your beautiful art and hard work
David Revoy
in reply to rick • • •rob los ricos
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to rob los ricos • • •rob los ricos
in reply to David Revoy • • •rob los ricos
in reply to David Revoy • • •Jorge Toledo
in reply to David Revoy • • •I'm so happy to hear you say it worked!
To me, the monthly support just feels better even if it didn't make a difference financially. Instead of paying in return for something (which is a transaction), it feels like more like supporting the ongoing work and life of a great artist that has given so much to free/libre culture.
Ölbaum
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Ölbaum • • •@oscherler You didn't invitent: mid 2024, after problem in the production (cancelling an episode almost done) and during a long period of personal struggle and feeling down, I announced the end on a blog post.
That was a mistake. I wish I never published that blog-post.
I retracted, but the idea circulated well, way faster than the other blog-posts saying I wanted to continue the series.
I'm continuing Pepper&Carrot series, I love it too much. I just had a very bad time. Sorry for that.
GhostOnTheHalfShell
in reply to David Revoy • • •It’s so much of the money donated to you goes to the platform or to the platform the app people donate through is installed on..
It would be nice to have a way where artists got the money without a digital bridge toll extracting their tribute
David Revoy
in reply to GhostOnTheHalfShell • • •@GhostOnTheHalfShell Yes, both Patreon and Tipeee takes 5%.
The solution you mention about a bridge without this fee exists: liberapay.com/davidrevoy/
davidrevoy's profile - Liberapay
LiberapayGhostOnTheHalfShell
in reply to David Revoy • • •shom ✊🏽🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚
in reply to David Revoy • • •@GhostOnTheHalfShell
David Revoy
in reply to shom ✊🏽🐧📷🤿🏔️🪚 • • •ZZ Bottom
in reply to David Revoy • • •Pit Wenkin
in reply to David Revoy • • •you might want to change the denomination of your membership options on patreon. I see 5€/month in the overview of all my memberships, but when looking at your membership options it still shows as "x€ / episode".
I really enjoy the short stories you post here. I hope(expect) you will beginn posting them on patreon too, once the switch to monthly is done?
David Revoy
in reply to Pit Wenkin • • •Yes I saw it and I'm afraid I can't change it at the moment. Patreon will make the change on their side one month after I publicly announce it. It's all part of their policy for moving accounts around.
Just to let you know, I won't be posting the episode until the 12th of January. (the effective date for my first monthly) :)
I'll post something on Patreon to let my supporters know about it.
(edit: forgot to say, thank you
)
David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •(à 44 ans, je ne sais pas ce que c'est d'avoir un salaire, je suis Freelance depuis ... mes 18 ans. Alors voilà voilà, l'inconnu 😅 )
VANTABlack
in reply to David Revoy • • •I am not in a position right now to financially support you, but I will try to spread the word about your work since I do enjoy your comics.
I hope you have the best of luck.
David Revoy
in reply to VANTABlack • • •gws
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to gws • • •@gws Ha ha, you mentioned something that made me struggle while drawing this announcement. At first, I drew a little guy with a two-day beard and a brown haircut, sitting at my desk in front of my monitors.
But I was worried it wouldn't be really iconic, so I decided to go with Pepper as my avatar. I was fine with it, as I often used her for various things, but maybe it's a bit awkward in the end. 😅
gws
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to gws • • •gws
in reply to David Revoy • • •Tina
in reply to David Revoy • • •Imo per content model is dangerous anyway. It rewards churning out quantity rather than quality. It means that an artist might need to release unfinished stuff just for the sake of being able to pay their bills. And for the supporter it is unsafe because there is little control to how much you pay. If someone pays 5€ per creation, assuming 1 creation per month, and suddenly you turn in 1 creation per day or something this might be more than the person can or wants to afford.
So per month or something means stabilty for both artist and supporter, just extra effort is not awarded. Per creation creates pressure for the artist and exchanges uncertainty of delivery for uncertainty in when and how much you pay.
David Revoy
in reply to Tina • • •I'm a freelancer working 'per task' since I was 18. I only knew that: making the work, getting paid, and I'm 44 years old 😅 ... I really hope this change will be a good thing!
Tina
in reply to David Revoy • • •This is different to a typical artist thing. The difference here is that we are not paying for the result. We are paying for the process. For you keeping the project up and sharing the result with the world. And everyone of us will have different expectation. But I think most of us do not have a problem with you taking time. With you choosing to do some freelance project when you feel like it. With you taking a break when you need it. Don't feel indebted to us or that you need to meet certain performance goals here.
And sure, your Liberapay donations are not a major income. Still, guaranteed 400€ a month is not at all nothing. It is enough to afford food if everything else fails. If this change in Patreon goes well you will have a decent bit more monthly support. But still probably nothing in the range of full-time remuneration. So you should not treat this as a 100% job. Treat this as what it is: A small support from your community, to make sure you can continue doing what you do.
David Revoy
in reply to Tina • • •@lazy Thank you Tina. 💜 Very helpful.
"Don't feel indebted to us" → I felt that deeply. I'll try to meditate on it, and see what I can work to change that feeling in me.
David Revoy
Unknown parent • • •Jellyfriend
in reply to David Revoy • • •David Revoy
in reply to Jellyfriend • • •